‘The Bear’s’ Jeremy Allen White Says Syd Wasn’t Jealous of Carmy and Claire, Defends ‘Beautiful’ Platonic Relationship

SPOILER ALERT:This story contains spoilers for Season 2 of The Bear, now streaming on Hulu.

In Season 2 of The Bear, Jeremy Allen Whites Carmen Berzatto finally let his walls down and explored interests outside the kitchen. It didnt work out well for him but he did try. Carmy also had to balance his friendship and working relationship with partner Sydney (Ayo Edebiri), who kept her eye on the prize when he seemingly became distracted.

Throughout the second season, viewers also learned more about Carmys upbringing, specifically in the star-studded sixth episode, Fishes. That episode was a flashback to the familys last Christmas together, with Jamie Lee Curtis appearing as his troubled mother, and Jon Bernthal returning as his brother, Michael, on the verge of a breakdown.

Here, White opens up to Variety about Season 2s arcs, Carmy and his mothers relationship and his hopes for the chef down the line, both personally and professionally.

How are you feeling this time around versus the release of the first season?

I think there was kind of a much slower sort of build in the first season. it felt like it kind of came in waves, and there was a word of mouth thing happening. And this time, it feels like we got shot out of a cannon or something. It all feels very, very immediate. Putting all the episodes out at the same time again, its kind of wild.

Do you have a preference on that? I know its not your call, but whether the show comes out as a binge or weekly?

Above my pay grade to make that choice, but I personally like to watch shows that I really love slowly. But, thats an option even with all the episodes out at once. We give them options.

After Season 1, we talked about how you felt Carmy was a bit too broken and selfish to let anyone else in. He allowed himself to do that a little in Season 2, but do you believe he was really ready?

No, but I think this really interesting thing happened with Claire and how specific Claire is. She has an understanding of him kind of prior to his career. She really knows him and his family history, which I think must have been so welcomed, after you seeing Carmy kind of move through the first season with other than Richie and his sister dealing with a whole new group and trying to win these people over, win their liking and respect. I think it was very welcoming to see Claire for Carmy.

I also think Molly does such an amazing job. Shes so disarming and funny and charming. I think it didnt allow Carmy to build up his his regular walls. She knocked them down with ease and allowed Carmy to feel cared for, which must have just been so welcomed because I dont know the last time Carmy would have allowed himself to be cared for.

Jeremy Allen White and Molly Gordon as Carmy and Claire. Chuck Hodes Do you think he has the potential to find true love, eventually? Whether its Claire or someone else?

I hope so. I hope he has the potential for it. I dont know if well see it with him. The way that Carmy is talking at the end of Season 2, if we get to do a Season 3, I have to assume hell be operating from this sort of loss, like, he extended himself, he fucked everything up by extending himself, and he cant do it again. I think thats where hes at.

During the finale, we see Donna (Jamie Lee Curtis) saying she doesnt deserve to see the restaurants success and then we see Carmy saying he doesnt need amusement or enjoyment, like he doesnt deserve it. Was that a parallel you guys discussed?

Oh yeah, that was that was definitely something that [creator] Chris Storer and I spoke about. Thats what it is thats sets Carmy off being called Donna. I think for Carmy and Richie, everybody knows Donnas off limits. Its not something were gonna speak on. Thats what Carmy knows. Thats what he came from.

How was it preparing for those scenes through the freezer door, speaking to no one?

It was interesting. Pretty much everything you saw on the fridge was shot in an afternoon. So it was like Carmys Fridge Day. Usually when youre doing a scene with somebody, youre looking at them, youre listening to them, youre trying to understand them and react to them. Carmy can kind of hear them, definitely cant see them. I started referring to the fridge as a confessional. Its like this honesty box. Hes not able to see whos receiving him, and I think it allows him to be incredibly vulnerable and honest about certain things because hes not afraid of the reaction hes going to get.

We have talked about it this previously, the platonic relationship between Syd and Carmy and fans wanting more. Some viewers on social media felt there were moments of that this season, like him considering her to ask her to go out by the lockers or her maybe getting jealous even though she just wanted her professional partner focused. Did you see that also when you started reading this season?

No! I read that as Syd being rightfully upset. Theyre doing this thing together and she does not have Carms full attention and focus while they have a partnership. Theyre trying to create this thing thats very difficult to create. Of course there is love and and respect in this relationship. Theres admiration and I think and I hope that even in platonic relationships, you are able to say things like, I need you. When they speak to each other under the table in episode nine, its such a beautiful scene, and it is a scene about partnership, but not a romantic partner.

The other scene discussed heavily is him having the panic attack and thinking of Sydney calms him.

I think that it Syd and Carmy do things for one another. She is a source of peace and focus for him and I think, at times, he can be a source of inspiration and dependability. Sometimes he cant.

Alright lets talk about that star-studded sixth episode that featured such powerful scenes between you and Jamie Lee Curtis. How did you guys create that chemistry? Had you met before?

We didnt know each other, but she was so immediately honest, vulnerable and curious. We had been texting a little bit and maybe wed spoken on the phone a little bit before we met in person. I remember, I was sitting at base camp, talking to somebody, and I felt somebody behind me and it was Jamie. She just hugged me for maybe two minutes, not an exaggeration, really just hugged me for two minutes, and then held my face for another two minutes. No words spoken. And then sort of walked away. I think she just wanted to let me know that some crazy things are gonna happen in there, but she was letting me meet Jamie and know that at the end of the day, everythings gonna be okay.

Jamie Lee Curtis as Donna Chuck Hodes Thats incredible. That episode gave us quite an insight into Carmys family life and how hectic that could be, while also gathering us so much talent in one room. How was that experience for you as an actor and as the lead of the show?

What was so amazing about Fishes for me was we got the best actors in the world, and my job was to watch them. Carmy is really, pretty quiet throughout and you see why Carmy is so quiet and why he is so withdrawn. Hes dealing with these huge personalities and all of this emotional instability. It made my job very, very easy, because I could just take Jon Bernthal in and I could just take Jamie in.

Then there was this scene that Chris Storer thought of on the day cousin Michelle, Sarah Paulson, comes into the dining area and invites me to come to New York to get a break. They didnt write anything for that scene. He was like, You guys get together and you invite him to come. It was such a touching moment. It ended up being one of my favorite scenes while watching it because its one of the only times Carmy feels really seen. And Sarah was just so good. I just feel like if I can keep surrounding myself with good actors, then Ill continue to do a good job!

So impressive! OK, youve talked a bit about chefs reactions to the show. Recently, Chicago chef Rick Bayless claimed that The Bear set the restaurant industry back 20 years, because now parents wont let their kids be chefs because of their portrayal. What do you think of that?

Oh, I didnt read that whole thing, but I was like, thats ridiculous. Obviously, this is a TV show, so everythings a little bit heightened. But what I take away from the show when I watch is, oh, my God, look at all the care and community and love and respect and inspiration that comes from this kitchen. Yes, when youre talking about Carmy and his trauma and the pain that he brings to the kitchen, of course its chaotic. It is a difficult job, its time consuming and can be grueling. Youre dealing with a lot of big personalities and sometimes, vicious personalities. But when I watch our show, I see Marcus, I see Syd, I see Tina, I see Richie going through a 3-Michelin-Star place. I see them getting inspired and caring so deeply about what theyre doing.

Lastly, the season has been full of mantras, like Every Second Counts. Has there been a mantra that has resonated with you or helped you either when you were coming up as an actor or now in your life?

Oh, thats a good question. I think Ive been getting better, but just let go. Especially when I was starting as an actor, I really tried to prepare so much. I really held on so tightly to all these decisions and all of these choices that I made. The older Ive gotten, the more Ive done this thing Im not saying you shouldnt prepare; prepare all that you want to, and I think its incredibly helpful. But then I think when you get there, and if youre around really great actors, like Im lucky enough to be around and really great writing and crew, then you should really just be able to show up on set and kind of let it go.

This interview has been edited and condensed.